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Re: The End

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Drakrtar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:28 pm
Silverware wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:20 pm
Drakrtar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:57 pm
the REAL question is why haven't any of you big time backers pushed for a Class Action Lawsuit? Like seriously He's ghosted everyone since he made that "pity me" post and quit. You have his name, where he lived and supposedly his school information. I would bet money he's either off laughing it up doing something else profitable under a new name as most white collar criminals do or dead. Either way you'd find out you won't get that source code and be able to stop dreaming for this to be real. I personally have followed for a long time but after star citizen vowed to never back a KS again until I saw proof it was going somewhere stable. I am sad to see this project dead, but I just don't understand why so many people are still happy to be screwed and not go after him for it. Like it's one dude not a big corporation.
Because this is perfectly within his rights.

Kickstarter is not a pre-order, it's an investment, and it may or may not succeed.

Trying to punish someone for running their own mental health into the ground to try and get their passion project across the line, and then having them finally decide to take their health more seriously and call an end to, what would essentially be, a person's code-baby.

Well, that just explains exactly why Capitalism without strict government oversight is evil.
No... that's not how investing works... if you invest in a company you own stock in that company if the people running it bail out they are still accountable to their investors. This is what blows my mind with the kickstarter generation. They ARE legally held accountable for what they promised. This isn't debatable it's law. When you pay someone x dollars to get x work done they promise to do and they do not do it they are legally responsible for that work getting done. It's fraud simple and straight. Sorry you feel like his "mental health" is a reasonable excuse for not upholding his end but A.) That's not how the real world actually works and B.) HE gave himself an out with the promise to release the code yet never has. He is obviously a scammer and it really irks me to see people defend that.
I can't tell if your trolling or serious.. Why would he spend years making daily updates and releasing high quality development videos if he was always planning to just bail with the money?

Also you realize he had employees right? He had as far as I can remember 3-4 people employed during the lifetime of LT's development.
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Re: The End

#482
Don’t quote me on this but I think he offered to give money back after he had worked at a stable job. A lot of people on here didn’t want their money back but I can’t vouch for those who solely stayed on Kickstarter. Anyone who wanted their money back by now either got it, gave up, or did do something through Kickstarter. A lot of the “big time” backers on here had a personal connection/friendship with Josh after some point and decided that kicking him after he was down wasn’t something they cared to do.
Now, if someone really wanted their money back and had pursued it, I doubt they would advertise it.

Underworld Ascendant is a game I got burned on. Highly disappointing but it’s whatever at this point. Not doing Kickstarter anymore.
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Re: The End

#484
Drakrtar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 2:57 pm
the REAL question is why haven't any of you big time backers pushed for a Class Action Lawsuit? Like seriously He's ghosted everyone since he made that "pity me" post and quit. You have his name, where he lived and supposedly his school information. I would bet money he's either off laughing it up doing something else profitable under a new name as most white collar criminals do or dead. Either way you'd find out you won't get that source code and be able to stop dreaming for this to be real. I personally have followed for a long time but after star citizen vowed to never back a KS again until I saw proof it was going somewhere stable. I am sad to see this project dead, but I just don't understand why so many people are still happy to be screwed and not go after him for it. Like it's one dude not a big corporation.
after six years of working on it he ran out of money.
which is about 2500bucks/month, before anything else.
which is a kinda meh salary for exposing one to the risk of being sued over it.

also, why would anyone go after a case where even under winning conditions nobody would get anything useful out of it?
josh doesnt have the money anymore and likely no assets that could be liquidated to make that money.
and even then, nobody who could see any return on that from their investment seems to be interested in ruining Josh's life over money they seemingly don't miss and for which josh appears to have made a good faith effort to keep up his end of the deal.
Drakrtar wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:28 pm
A.) That's not how the real world actually works
it is, if every involved party agrees to that's how it works.
which seems to be the case for the majority.


i'm always wondering why people yelling "SCAMMER!" with no personal involvement at all come here ages after anything at all happened here.
its been one and a half years since the last events relevant to Josh and the money happened.
why now?
what is your interest in it?

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