Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

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Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby EduardoDelMango » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:57 am

Hello!

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere - I did have a look, apologies if my weak Google-Fu missed it.

I backed Limit Theory on KS ages back at the second tier, which has a completed copy of the game as a reward. Having backed it in a glut of largely indiscriminate KS-backing I, uh, largely forgot about it until relatively recently, and was wondering if I've missed any deadlines for confirming my Kickstarter status/e-mail address/some other process to be able to redeem the finished game when it does come out? If not, will backers just be contacted via e-mail at the time?

With thanks, and I'm extremely glad that the space-thingy I blindly clicked on nine months ago appears to be the completely awesome one.

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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Cornflakes_91 » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:18 am

it was not 9 months ago, more like 12+9 months :P

No, you havent missed anything by now, you dont have prototype access and the beta is not out yet.

I guess josh will send out e-mails over kickstarter when theres something in for you :)
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby EduardoDelMango » Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:31 am

Oh shit, it was 2012! See, told you I wasn't paying attention!

Nice one, thanks for your answer Cornflakes.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby DWMagus » Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:22 am

Welcome to the forums! :wave:

As Cornflakes put it, the beta isn't out yet. It's supposed to be 'soonish', with the full game released early next year.

However, feel free to stick around and check out the rest of the forums. ;)
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby sproginator » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:40 pm

So, Soonish? I've been waiting for the beta for over two years? You guys posted soonish back in September of 2014, but I've not seen anything....

I get it, the game is becoming very well polished and that's great! But come on, giving nothing back to people that have spent that money in the first place for the promise of:
Pledge $20 or more

2,145 backers

THE GAME . Get a downloadable, DRM-free copy of the game so that you can hop into your ship and start exploring the endless universe(s) the day it comes out.

Estimated delivery: Jan 2014


I think we kind of deserve a little more than Soonish at this point
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby DWMagus » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:54 pm

Unfortunately only Josh can answer that question.

While we have moderators here, we're only here in the capacity of taking care of the forums without any insight to the grand master plan.

So while it does suck, the only information we have as well is 'When it's done'.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby sproginator » Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:58 pm

Well, I just feel like I've been completely mislead into purchasing a game that I might never even get. That the release is just "pushed back" until Josh can be bothered to give us a copy
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Cornflakes_91 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:12 pm

sproginator wrote:Well, I just feel like I've been completely mislead into purchasing a game that I might never even get. That the release is just "pushed back" until Josh can be bothered to give us a copy


you didnt do a purchase, kickstarter isnt purchasing.

the very idea of kickstarter is "hey, i have a cool idea, would you like to help me by giving me money?"

the goodies are just that, goodies.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby DWMagus » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:15 pm

Don't get me wrong, I realize that there is frustrations regarding the release of the game and the multiple delays. Searching among the forums will also yield many others that feel the same way you do.

I could get into the different policies of kickstarter and about crowdfunding and whether or not that signifies a guarantee, but that doesn't solve the problem, nor does it shed any light on the issue. Being negative and complaining also won't lead anywhere and if anything would cause the topic to be locked.

The only consolation that I can offer is that from the different posts Josh has posted as well as the dev logs, he isn't happy with how things have progressed, and that is the main push behind RTB. What really happens? Who knows..


And while I was ninja'd by cornflakes, that's an area I don't want to get into. Kickstarter is kickstarter.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby sproginator » Fri Jan 30, 2015 3:30 pm

It may be the case of "Hey, I have a cool idea", but he still gives no indication to when we have even the slightest chance of a beta
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Cornflakes_91 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:03 pm

sproginator wrote:It may be the case of "Hey, I have a cool idea", but he still gives no indication to when we have even the slightest chance of a beta


because he himself doesnt know.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby sproginator » Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:09 pm

Cornflakes_91 wrote:
sproginator wrote:It may be the case of "Hey, I have a cool idea", but he still gives no indication to when we have even the slightest chance of a beta


because he himself doesnt know.


Well, Why can't he simply release the prototype to the beta backers in order to alleviate the stress of waiting
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Just_Ice_au » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:38 pm

sproginator wrote:
Cornflakes_91 wrote:
sproginator wrote:It may be the case of "Hey, I have a cool idea", but he still gives no indication to when we have even the slightest chance of a beta


because he himself doesnt know.


Well, Why can't he simply release the prototype to the beta backers in order to alleviate the stress of waiting


Because releasing a beta before its ready is a terrible idea. Despite the way the terminology is misused by developers of early-access games, a proper beta should really be as feature-complete as possible. While releasing an unfinished version of the game would soothe a few backers unwilling to wait, I'm sure it might also create hard feelings among reviewers or backers hoping for a more complete experience. After all, games only get one chance to make a good first impression.

And really, you're worried because a Kickstarter project has been delayed? That's an extremely common occurrence - and one that should be recognised as a likely risk factor by every backer each time they make the decision to pledge towards a Kickstarter project. I'm sure everyone involved in those many kickstarter projects that have been late would have loved to meet their deadlines - but there are a huge number of factors that a lot of Kickstarter creators with really bright ideas (and conceivably not much experience running these sorts of projects) just fail to take into account.

The worst thing in my estimation, though, is not that those projects are late, but that the people running them fail to communicate properly with their backers what is holding up the process - they're just as likely to disappear from view for a few weeks or months to avoid the awkward questions instead of being upfront with their backers. Josh has repeatedly demonstrated the exact opposite of this. He has - for two whole years - provided daily (daily!) updates on what he's been working on, and when he's needed to push his deadlines he has been completely forthcoming with his reasons for doing so. Even now, in crunch time, he's pushing out comprehensive weekly updates to his Kickstarter backers via the Kickstarter website/mailing list and these forums.

So, while I understand your frustration, I actually think Josh's decision to not set a new deadline is actually an expression of his integrity - its become clear he's not the best at estimating how long some things take to develop, so he's decided not to fall into the same trap of setting a deadline he might fail to meet, and instead say simply "its coming as fast as humanly possible".
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Scytale » Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:40 pm

Just_Ice_au wrote:
So, while I understand your frustration, I actually think Josh's decision to not set a new deadline is actually an expression of his integrity - its become clear he's not the best at estimating how long some things take to develop, so he's decided not to fall into the same trap of setting a deadline he might fail to meet, and instead say simply "its coming as fast as humanly possible".


I still think that "as fast as humanly possible" still allows for "ah, I'll just take one more week to perfect this one element", especially where Josh is concerned. A deadline at least fights against this tendency.
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Re: Redemption of Kickstarter final release reward.

Postby Just_Ice_au » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:37 pm

Scytale wrote:
Just_Ice_au wrote:
So, while I understand your frustration, I actually think Josh's decision to not set a new deadline is actually an expression of his integrity - its become clear he's not the best at estimating how long some things take to develop, so he's decided not to fall into the same trap of setting a deadline he might fail to meet, and instead say simply "its coming as fast as humanly possible".


I still think that "as fast as humanly possible" still allows for "ah, I'll just take one more week to perfect this one element", especially where Josh is concerned. A deadline at least fights against this tendency.


Yeah, Josh does seem to be a slight perfectionist. :roll: TBH, the next few week's worth of R2tB updates should give us a clearer picture on whether he's sufficiently managing to suppress that instinct.

Anyway, its always been hard to tell exactly what Josh has been up to, as he only ever cherry-picked the most interesting (to him) parts of his work to showcase in the dev logs. Without a clearer breakdown of how his time was actually spent on the project, its hard to say whether our impressions of his work habits are indicative of reality, or just misconceptions we've been inferring from incomplete data. :problem:
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