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Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:07 pm
by Katawa
My response was sincere though. It's just that in my experience when someone asks that particular question it's as a noose so I didn't address it directly.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:44 pm
by FormalMoss
Or have the keys for LT to be time-limited (eg. 13 days or some arbitrary number).
Legitimate reviewers can always request more keys to perform extensive reviews and would help to filter the wheat from the chaff.

Also, the game will reach all audiences and will backfire on those unscrupulous people when they realise they don't have a full game key.

Is it worthwhile to have these reviewer keys to talk back to a central server to ensure they expire and prevent kiddie hackers from reverse engineering LT code?

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 11:57 pm
by AbhChallenger
Hooray! Another wonderful thing ruined by people who have no moral compass and even less care about their actions harming everyone. :evil:

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:16 am
by DWMagus
FormalMoss wrote:Or have the keys for LT to be time-limited (eg. 13 days or some arbitrary number).
Legitimate reviewers can always request more keys to perform extensive reviews and would help to filter the wheat from the chaff.

Also, the game will reach all audiences and will backfire on those unscrupulous people when they realise they don't have a full game key.

Is it worthwhile to have these reviewer keys to talk back to a central server to ensure they expire and prevent kiddie hackers from reverse engineering LT code?
After reading both Katawa's and Flatfingers' post, ultimately you could end up playing whack-a-mole your entire life. There are a few things that are almost guaranteed to happen (as with just about any software release); the game will end up on a torrent site and there will be keys given out for requests that may become unscrupulous. If it was a perfect world with no deception, both can be great in the right way, but I think if you're having to put more than a few moments thought into it, there might be some other bigger issue at play.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 11:32 am
by Katawa
FormalMoss wrote:Or have the keys for LT to be time-limited (eg. 13 days or some arbitrary number).
Legitimate reviewers can always request more keys to perform extensive reviews and would help to filter the wheat from the chaff.
This sounds good but is even worse, because people who resell the keys don't care about your audience, so they will sell them regardless and now a customer has a game they paid for that cuts them off.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:20 am
by HKY09
The one way to avoid this is to not give out steam keys... ouch?

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:24 am
by Katorone
Get Valve to validate accounts used by "celebrities". :)

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:28 am
by Cornflakes_91
Katorone wrote:Get Valve to validate accounts used by "celebrities". :)
If they are genuine they could just send an email from their youtube account

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:30 am
by Katorone
Cornflakes_91 wrote:
Katorone wrote:Get Valve to validate accounts used by "celebrities". :)
If they are genuine they could just send an email from their youtube account
Except, like Baine says, a lot of youtubers have their YT messaging disabled because of spam and other nastiness.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:35 am
by Cornflakes_91
Doesnt that only apply to receiving? Sending should work, or?

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:44 am
by Katorone
Cornflakes_91 wrote:Doesnt that only apply to receiving? Sending should work, or?
I'm not sure how the messaging system on YT works. But with the current system, a key would be sent as a reply to a request.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:52 am
by Cornflakes_91
Well, i assumed that initial contact was made using another channel and the YT message would be sent independently as security message.

Now we're getting into cryptography :lol:

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:21 am
by Katorone
That's the validation that Valve could offer.

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:27 am
by Cornflakes_91
Well, that needs active participation from a third party, messaging from youtube does not

Re: Steam Key Scammers

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:12 am
by Talvieno
@OP: :shock: whoa, that's... wow. 'kay then, good thing I'm not a game developer, I would've fallen for that kind of thing prettttyyyy badly.