Re: Zones
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:24 pm
What if b and c refuses?Cornflakes_91 wrote:so while a does not have direct control of the sub-zones they can apply their rules there because they own the super-zone
What if b and c refuses?Cornflakes_91 wrote:so while a does not have direct control of the sub-zones they can apply their rules there because they own the super-zone
a enforces their ruling, with power.Basmannen wrote:What if b and c refuses?Cornflakes_91 wrote:so while a does not have direct control of the sub-zones they can apply their rules there because they own the super-zone
And what is b or c has a bigger military than a?Cornflakes_91 wrote:a enforces their ruling, with power.
whichever form this power might have
when they move their military into the zones, the "ownership" of the ships gets applied and a looses superiority, so no ruling anymoreBasmannen wrote:And what is b or c has a bigger military than a?Cornflakes_91 wrote:a enforces their ruling, with power.
whichever form this power might have
Hierarchical laws. A.k.a. the Listov Substitution Principle of Legality. Seems pretty elegant to me, but I do know that Josh said somewhere (edit: and by somewhere, I mean he explicitly mentioned it in IRC) that "zones can't overlap", though I don't really know what exactly he means by this. But yes, elegant.Cornflakes_91 wrote:inside every zone get all ownership points you have added up together and compared with the ownership points any other faction has in there...Flatfingers wrote: [...]
Katorone wrote:As Josh said in a dev log, zone ownership depends on the presence of a station.
If you want ownership of a zone, make sure only your station is standing.
Suppose you start building your station while the zone is owned by someone else. If they notice, they'll consider you trespassing, and will send out a force to remove you.
Suppose you enter their zone with a fleet (without the proper permits) they will send out a force to remove you.
You could fight them, you could leave the station standing while you're building yours, but IMO that shouldn't have no effect on ownership.
No need for a forced shared ownership, or anything like that. If you just want to make use of a zone, I'm sure you can strike a deal with the faction controlling it.
ownership is a kinda arbitary measurement, you may only create a zone with an station, but you can own it with mobile forcesJoshParnell wrote:Zoning is more than just a naming convention, though. It's a conceptually-clear way to think about space. Zones can have names, zones can have intrinsic value, zones can have security ratings, and zones can have...owners! Yes. Now we're getting interesting. How do you own space? Well, by force. Zones are considered to be 'owned' by whoever has the strongest presence there. How is that presence measured? To be determined. Could be military force, but I'm thinking more along the lines of the total value of permanent structures. Set up the biggest space station in an asteroid field and it's considered to be controlled by you.
That's actually unclear at this point. I mistook Josh's train of thought as gospel, that's my bad. But the reverse isn't true then either.Cornflakes_91 wrote: ownership is a kinda arbitary measurement, you may only create a zone with an station, but you can own it with mobile forces
they would most likely control the super-super-zone, the system where the asteroid field or whatever is inKatorone wrote: And what about sector ownership? Wouldn't the local government or military force have something to say in the matter?
Yes, but wouldn't they have a say on who gets to own/exploit resources in their sector?Cornflakes_91 wrote:they would most likely control the super-super-zone, the system where the asteroid field or whatever is inKatorone wrote: And what about sector ownership? Wouldn't the local government or military force have something to say in the matter?
as they rule the zones they could apply some kind of force if something does not happen in their favour.Katorone wrote: Yes, but wouldn't they have a say on who gets to own/exploit resources in their sector?
That's making things very complicated.Cornflakes_91 wrote:as they rule the zones they could apply some kind of force if something does not happen in their favour.Katorone wrote: Yes, but wouldn't they have a say on who gets to own/exploit resources in their sector?
they could also apply some zone restricitons with the already discussed zone-allocation and apply force if not adhered to.
Thats politics.Katorone wrote: That's making things very complicated.
Corporation A is fighting Corporation B for control of a zone. Corporation A wins.
Faction X owns the sector and doesn't like Corporation A a lot, so it sends out forces to claim the zone from Corporation A. Faction X wins and now owns the zone.
Corporation B wants the zone back, so declares war on faction X.
That's a thing to get the final word in without really contributing.Cornflakes_91 wrote: Thats politics.
i mean, isnt that actually something we'd want?Katorone wrote:That's a thing to get the final word in without really contributing.Cornflakes_91 wrote: Thats politics.