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Re: Starfield

#16
fox wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:13 pm
What kind of videogame will Starfield be?
I know nothing of it.

-fox
Bethesda.

So it'll feel like Fo4 or Skyrim most likely.
Shooty Looty, with a shit ton of side quests that have zero impact upon the world.
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Re: Starfield

#17
Silverware wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:12 pm
fox wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:13 pm
What kind of videogame will Starfield be?
I know nothing of it.

-fox
Bethesda.

So it'll feel like Fo4 or Skyrim most likely.
Shooty Looty, with a shit ton of side quests that have zero impact upon the world.
Oblivion with guns in space, then.
Ok... : |

-fox
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Re: Starfield

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fox wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:37 pm
Silverware wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:12 pm
fox wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:13 pm
What kind of videogame will Starfield be?
I know nothing of it.

-fox
Bethesda.

So it'll feel like Fo4 or Skyrim most likely.
Shooty Looty, with a shit ton of side quests that have zero impact upon the world.
Oblivion with guns in space, then.
Ok... : |

-fox
Well... it might NOT be, but, lets be honest. Betheda don't have original thoughts.
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Re: Starfield

#19
Tod Howard is claiming it will be Skyrim in space.

Now, Tod is very unreliable when it comes to hype, so lots of salt with whatever he says.

Something else to remember is that each Bethesda game has been more "streamlined" with every release. Pretty much meaning it's been dumbed down for mass appeal.

Fall Out 4 was when I checked out, it was a shooter more than anything else. Meh.

Still can't believe we got until 2023 before we have any chance of seeing the next Elder Scrolls. It's nice that they made a new engine because the Creation Engine was pushed WAY past it's limits already. I fear it will be nothing what the previous games have been though.
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Re: Starfield

#20
Zanteogo wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:58 pm
Something else to remember is that each Bethesda game has been more "streamlined" with every release. Pretty much meaning it's been dumbed down for mass appeal.
I disagree that it's dumbing it down. They had a LOT of issues with the complexity of the systems in Oblivion, things that made the game unplayable in some situations.
Reducing that makes it easier to explain, and easier to just go with.

While stats seem like a great idea, do they actually matter?
Oblivion showed that, once you swapped to player skills dictating hits, the only things that mattered were Health, Stamina, and Magicka.
Which is, incidentally, exactly what it was reduced to.

The overhaul of the skills/perks system is a significant improvement in my eyes, as makes builds that are vastly more interesting.
But they didn't add enough individual items to each tree.

Should have been full trees, with a half dozen branches, and selecting some should prevent others from being selected.
But that'd get hard to define, and require a bunch of interesting things that the devs obviously were already struggling with coming up with.
Zanteogo wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:58 pm
Still can't believe we got until 2023 before we have any chance of seeing the next Elder Scrolls. It's nice that they made a new engine because the Creation Engine was pushed WAY past it's limits already. I fear it will be nothing what the previous games have been though.
... You didn't pay attention.
This isn't a 'new' engine.
Just like Creation wasn't.

It's all just a new extension of the Gamebryo engine. More stuff added, more changes included. Deeper fixes and alterations.

But, at it's core, it'll still feel like another gamebryo engine game.
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Re: Starfield

#21
Silverware wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:34 pm
I disagree that it's dumbing it down. They had a LOT of issues with the complexity of the systems in Oblivion, things that made the game unplayable in some situations.
Reducing that makes it easier to explain, and easier to just go with.

While stats seem like a great idea, do they actually matter?
Oblivion showed that, once you swapped to player skills dictating hits, the only things that mattered were Health, Stamina, and Magicka.
Which is, incidentally, exactly what it was reduced to.

The overhaul of the skills/perks system is a significant improvement in my eyes, as makes builds that are vastly more interesting.
But they didn't add enough individual items to each tree.
I agree with your take on Oblivion's systems. It's more of a fault of them not actually putting real effort into making the complexity fun for the player rather than the complexity it self.

Skyrim had a similar issue, but with just much less complexity. It's as if they put zero effort into putting thought into the skill trees.
Silverware wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:34 pm
... You didn't pay attention.
This isn't a 'new' engine.
Just like Creation wasn't.

It's all just a new extension of the Gamebryo engine. More stuff added, more changes included. Deeper fixes and alterations.

But, at it's core, it'll still feel like another gamebryo engine game.
They presented it as if they have scrapped the old engine. I know it old creation/gamebryo engine is hurting bad. I dabbled a bit into modding and couldn't believe how half arsed everything seemed to be. Things would just not work for no apparent reason or fail randomly without any cause. Any discussion with other modders would require the use of the phrase "due to a bug in the creation engine" about a half dozen times within an hour.

Hopefully they didn't try to further Frankenstein the engine for modern games, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are.
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Re: Starfield

#22
Zanteogo wrote:
Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:41 pm
They presented it as if they have scrapped the old engine. I know it old creation/gamebryo engine is hurting bad. I dabbled a bit into modding and couldn't believe how half arsed everything seemed to be. Things would just not work for no apparent reason or fail randomly without any cause. Any discussion with other modders would require the use of the phrase "due to a bug in the creation engine" about a half dozen times within an hour.

Hopefully they didn't try to further Frankenstein the engine for modern games, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are.
They present this, but while they may have done some rather large overhauls. They aren't about to scrap two decades of programming experience and value.

It's why Unreal 5 is an overhauled Unreal 4, which is an overhauled Unreal 3... and so on down.

IDTech is the same thing (although I suspect their overhauls are a little more major, as ID are very much engine programmers who made demos with demons)
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