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Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 12:17 pm
by Cody
Sounds familiar, does that.


Once upon a time, I had X-BTF - the first ten minutes were fun!

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:55 pm
by Mistycica
On one hand, they were knowingly deceiving potential customers by releasing nothing but a cinematic trailer, zero gameplay, and no pre-release reviews. The whole thing was hush-hush, and thus predictably awful.

On the other hand, people still pre-ordered, despite the critical lack of information. Even with Egosoft's garbage track record of releasing games broken and kinda fixing them in three years. Remember the state X3 was shipped in? Some people remember.

I'm not saying the victims are to blame. But hopefully it has been a valuable lesson, and those burned by X:R aren't among those who are similarly angry for pre-ordering NMS.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:39 am
by Victor Tombs
Mistycica wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:55 pm
I'm not saying the victims are to blame. But hopefully it has been a valuable lesson, and those burned by X:R aren't among those who are similarly angry for pre-ordering NMS.
I was more disappointed than angry, Mistycica. I pre-ordered both titles but the only game I was angry about was the one that Cody alludes to and that wasn't a pre-order. I've viewed the latest news concerning the development of X4 and there's a fair chance I'll end up pre-ordering it. :oops:

Some folks never learn. :mrgreen: :angel:

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:15 am
by Tycow
Announcement trailer is up, with early alpha gameplay footage.
https://youtu.be/FuIeKMYaIAk

Seems like the best bits from the previous X games mixed with the better bits of X Rebirth. :-)

50 minute live presentation with q&a. Presentation starts at 12 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/T10iR69-PqQ

Official imgur with 15 screenshots and explanations showing new features.
https://imgur.com/t/space/p5cIM

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:16 am
by Cornflakes_91
Tycow wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:15 am
Announcement trailer is up, with early alpha gameplay footage. Seems like the best bits from the previous X games mixed with the better bits of X Rebirth. :-)

https://youtu.be/FuIeKMYaIAk
*manly squeal*

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:22 am
by Tycow
Cornflakes_91 wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:16 am
Tycow wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:15 am
Announcement trailer is up, with early alpha gameplay footage. Seems like the best bits from the previous X games mixed with the better bits of X Rebirth. :-)

https://youtu.be/FuIeKMYaIAk
*manly squeal*
Don't worry Cornflakes, right there with you 😁

Updated my original post with two extra links.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:39 am
by Cornflakes_91
aw yiss a proper RTS like interface (at least it seems like)

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:48 am
by Victor Tombs
Yes, I should have provided a link. thanks for doing the necessary, Tycow.

I have to admit I like what I'm seeing. :D I'm one of the crowd who never really had a problem with X-Rebirth as I found the original games a bit heavy going. I like the direction in which Egosoft are heading with X4. :angel:

Edit: I do hope Josh can do as good a job with LT warp lanes/highways. Special effects bonanza. :mrgreen:

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:12 pm
by Mistycica
Victor Tombs wrote:
Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:39 am
Some folks never learn. :mrgreen: :angel:
S'long as they get their sales, they don't have to either :ghost:

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:40 pm
by Silverware
For once, X looks like it might be going a good direction. :D
Let's hope they get their empire management correct, and the flight controls better than they have had in the past.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:40 am
by Damocles
My guess is, that Egosoft will use the easiest approach, and basically use most elements of X-Rebirth (after current patches) , and just alter a few things to give it more of a feature-set similar to the classic X-Games. eg, player steering all types of ships, etc. plus more advanced station design.

Since X-Rebirth has a much more complex topography in space (stations) than the old games, the AI will still have a hard time to maneuver around.

Somehow they have never managed to get the UI working well to mix first person cockpit flight, and managing large numbers of ships and assets.
Not because they did not put effort into it, but by having a flawed concept in the first place. In Rebirth, mostly caused by trying to have support controllers.
Im shure there is a better way to design the concept of a GUI that is able to do those tasks.
I even think its possible to do all that by having controller support. But it would require to throw out ALL GUI implementations, and start from scratch.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:41 am
by Damocles
Now I had some time to read up on the announcements.

What I found most interesting was the concept of transferring to AI controlled ships, where the player is taking over the role of the AI pilot, and any previous mission given to the AI pilot is an actual mission/objective for the player.

Would be interesting if an AI general could then also give a mission to the player, (for example to serve as a wingman, or conduct a trade run)
That would mean switching the roles between AI and player here.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:02 pm
by theStormWeaver
I loved XR, especially after the multitude of updates it received post-release. Of course, for the optimum experience it requires mods, but that's true of a lot of games these days, even the best ones.

I'm extremely excited, they'd have to muck things up really badly in the PR department over the next two quarters to lose my money.

I really up they don't cut back too far on the walking around stations bit. I consider the Capital Ship Bridge mod to be essential, and would love to see more stuff like that. It contributes to the feeling of scale and immersion. No more smalltalk though, that mechanic can die in a fire.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:31 am
by Katorone
JanB1 wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 2:31 am
Oh Egosoft. Please do it right this time...
Not sure why I read this in Jim Sterling's voice.

Re: X4 - Continuation of X Universe

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:15 am
by Victor Tombs
Katorone wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:31 am
JanB1 wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 2:31 am
Oh Egosoft. Please do it right this time...
Not sure why I read this in Jim Sterling's voice.
It made my day seeing your post, Katorone. :thumbup: :wave: :angel: