Dawn of Andromeda

Discuss games not related to Limit Theory.

Dawn of Andromeda

Postby davdav » Thu May 04, 2017 1:17 pm

davdav
Commander
 
Posts: 219
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:42 am
Location: FR

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby BFett » Thu May 04, 2017 4:03 pm

It looks promising. I'll wait until some game footage becomes available before considering to add it to my wish list.
User avatar
BFett
Vice Admiral
 
Posts: 2498
Joined: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:44 pm
Location: A galaxy far far away

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Flatfingers » Thu May 04, 2017 9:52 pm

Looks slick, except...

...real-time.

Real-time.

A 4X game that they decided needed to prevent players from having time to think about strategy by making it... real-time.

"But it's pausable!"

I will fight you.

:|
Last edited by Flatfingers on Thu May 04, 2017 10:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Flatfingers
Vice Admiral
 
Posts: 4535
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:45 am

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby IronDuke » Thu May 04, 2017 9:58 pm

Would you prefer fake-time? :ghost:

--IronDerp
Moving toward the future at 60 minutes per hour.
I-War 2 thread
Epic Limit Theory Limerick
User avatar
IronDuke
Rear Admiral
 
Posts: 1448
Joined: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:47 pm
Location: The other end of the weapons barrage that's killing you. :3

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Dinosawer » Thu May 04, 2017 10:17 pm

I prefer a soy-based time substitute :ghost:

More seriously, what's it supposed to be? Turn-based? Changeable time speed?
(Dunno, I've never played a 4X)
Warning: do not ask about physics unless you really want to know about physics.
The LT IRC / Alternate link || The REKT Wiki || PUDDING
Image
User avatar
Dinosawer
Admiral
 
Posts: 5816
Joined: Fri May 09, 2014 1:08 pm
Location: Belgium

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Cornflakes_91 » Fri May 05, 2017 2:39 am

Flat repeteadely postulated that you can only have a proper strategy game when its turn based.
User avatar
Cornflakes_91
Admiral
 
Posts: 9179
Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:53 am
Location: Austria

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Flatfingers » Fri May 05, 2017 11:22 pm

"Turn-based" is a little tricky, but close enough.

Mostly, I still aver that there are fundamental psychological differences between:

  • quick thinking (tactics / action)
  • detailed thinking (operations / logistics)
  • deep thinking (strategy / planning)
  • holistic thinking (grand strategy / vision)
This is what drives my opinion that, if your goal as a game developer is to make a game that people who like strategic play can enjoy, you are undermining that goal if you impose a real-time constraint on players. Real-time fun is tactical fun. But requiring tactical thinking makes deep thinking -- gathering data, analyzing intel, perceiving patterns, conceiving plans -- harder, perhaps even impossible. Meaning, less fun.

What I hope comes through in this re-explanation is that I'm not arguing in any way that there's anything inherently bad or wrong about a real-time mechanic. There's not. The only question is whether that mechanic makes your intended gameplay experience more fun or not.

My argument is that if the intended experience is strategic fun, then preventing players from having the unrestricted time necessary to do deep thinking -- as a real-time mechanic does -- is a wrong choice because it undercuts the intended play experience. It encourages and rewards something other than deep thinking.

This is not to say that any game that says it's "strategy" but imposes a real-time mechanic must be a bad game. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying it won't be as much strategic fun as it could be, and that's a shame.

I wish the best to Dawn of Andromeda's developers, as I do anyone who works to bring a game into the world.
User avatar
Flatfingers
Vice Admiral
 
Posts: 4535
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:45 am

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby JanB1 » Sun May 07, 2017 1:49 am

Dinosawer wrote:(Dunno, I've never played a 4X)


You sure you never did? :think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X


But for the game: It looks interesting and the visuals are nice. But the reviews speak for themselves I think. I'll wait till they put some more work into it.
Automation engineer, lateral thinker, soldier, addicted to music, books and gaming.
Nothing to see here

Flatfingers wrote:23.01.2017: "Show me the smoldering corpse of Perfectionist Josh"
User avatar
JanB1
Rear Admiral
 
Posts: 1226
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:14 am
Location: Europe

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Cornflakes_91 » Mon May 08, 2017 3:20 am

its a solid foundation.

it has a research system thats pretty linear (thing, thing +1, thing +2), ship design, station design, a basic diplomacy system which is about as pointless as it is in MoO2 (trade tech, monies, planets) but has a few niceties i dont remember from other games (agreements not to settle in each others space for example). it also has trading of strategic resources using freighters you have to build and send between planets, which is nice.

all in all its "okay", but in its current state it wont become a "ohmygod i love to play this all the time" game
User avatar
Cornflakes_91
Admiral
 
Posts: 9179
Joined: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:53 am
Location: Austria

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby Dinosawer » Mon May 08, 2017 3:21 am

JanB1 wrote:
Dinosawer wrote:(Dunno, I've never played a 4X)


You sure you never did? :think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X

Yes, I am. :P
Given the current humble monthly that will probably change soonish, though
Warning: do not ask about physics unless you really want to know about physics.
The LT IRC / Alternate link || The REKT Wiki || PUDDING
Image
User avatar
Dinosawer
Admiral
 
Posts: 5816
Joined: Fri May 09, 2014 1:08 pm
Location: Belgium

Re: Dawn of Andromeda

Postby JanB1 » Tue May 09, 2017 12:23 am

Dinosawer wrote:
JanB1 wrote:
Dinosawer wrote:(Dunno, I've never played a 4X)


You sure you never did? :think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4X

Yes, I am. :P
Given the current humble monthly that will probably change soonish, though


Good to hear. You're really missing out on something here. ;)
Automation engineer, lateral thinker, soldier, addicted to music, books and gaming.
Nothing to see here

Flatfingers wrote:23.01.2017: "Show me the smoldering corpse of Perfectionist Josh"
User avatar
JanB1
Rear Admiral
 
Posts: 1226
Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:14 am
Location: Europe


Return to Games



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests