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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby MrPerson » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:42 pm

I kind of want to get the box version for PC just so I can put it on my shelf with my trilogy pack I bought several years back. Maybe victor is rubbing off on me a little :lol: I usually only bother buying boxes for games I really enjoy though.
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Zanteogo » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:27 pm

Wow, I just read up on all the politics going on with this game. I was vaguely aware of them before until it seemed it was impacting the games quality. (Normally I don't care about the people behind a product, if their product is good I buy anyways)

An openly racist lead designer (but he just hates white men, so it's all good?) Plus people being hired with no experience in the field they are hired for, in what appears to be Biowares new requirement to fill all its gender and ethnic quotas.

Damn, well I figured the real life political message was strong in DA3, guess MEA is doubling down.
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Zanteogo » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:14 am

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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Talvieno » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:01 am

I'm becoming more and more worried about the future of this game. The character design, voice acting, and animations are horribly unpolished to the point of being outright creepy - and I'm almost never one to feel the effects of the uncanny valley. This seems to be an extremely rare exception for me. The voice acting, from what I've seen, is fairly horrible too.

I sense a flop.
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Lum » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:50 am

They really have the big handicap of missing Shepard's charisma and instead of trying harder to fill that gap, they've got everything wrong. No matter how the rest of the game will be. If your main character is a flop, the game's going to suffer. A lot.
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby BMRX » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:33 pm

I've decided that I'll get this game from the "Bargain" bin if it ever shows up there.

I'm certain the game is fun, I've heard people say so. I have no doubts that the game is.

But I also play ME games for the story, which encompasses writing, animation, presentation, etc. Bioware Edmonton failed in that regard, so until it is either fixed (lol) or super cheap (less than $20) I wont be getting it.

Yaaaay Mass Effect is dead! I wonder what Bio's next flag ship IP will be. /s
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Talvieno » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:48 pm

I think this about sums it up. https://youtu.be/p-msmx9yW5Q
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Lum » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:57 pm

That's sort of... terrifying :shock:
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Zanteogo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:34 am

It appears BioWare is going into full "Sony defence mode" now.

I guess it's all our fault now for being critical of the lead animator, who they are now trying to claim was never the lead animator.. next they will be blaming it on the "alt-right".
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Damocles » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:41 am

But you must admit, the artists have a lot of humor.
Here some preset faces of female characters:
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Zanteogo » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:19 am

It's now apperently considered sexist to include any sort of "traditional beautiful" woman, at all, in video games.

So it looks like Bioware has most of the females looking like they have a ton of skin oil, with the default hair cuts belonging to the "I wanna speak to the manger" type.

Don't get me wrong, they probably over did the sexually in mass effect 2 with a couple of the characters, but damn, there IS a happy middle ground Bioware.

This is coming from someone who uses the "mature skin" mod when I play Skyrim, with the extra scars and moles because it looks way more realitic than flawless plastic skin.

edit: Skyrim mod for female skin I use
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Lum » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:15 am

Ick... those eyes... No matter how good, bad or meh, the rest ist, but those eyes!!!!! :cry:
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby JanB1 » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:30 am

Damn! And I was so looking forward to this game... :(
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Talvieno » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:45 am

In Mass Effect, as the protagonist, you've always been the most important and exceptional person in the story - even the most important/exceptional person in the galaxy. It just makes logical sense to me that the most exceptional person in the galaxy ought to look exceptional too - at least, from a story standpoint. From a realistic standpoint, they could look like whatever the hell they want - but in stories, the most important people look important to draw attention to them and put them in the spotlight. They're what you want the audience looking at.

Not only that, but typically in stories, the bad guys are uglier than the good guys. There's a reason for this: you need some quick way for the viewers to be able to recognize someone as bad, typically with the exception of A. horror, or B. seductresses.

There are a lot of commonly-used tropes on this. Here's some of the most common ones:

Face of an angel, mind of a demon - Horror trope for disguising the villian (or making them more horrific). Ace Attorney, Undertale's main character, Skyrim's Babette to name a few. Mostly used in movies because it typically takes longer to develop the full effect.

Evil is sexy - Also goes into what characters wear, as well as how they look - there's a tendency for evil female villains to be not only attractive but rather slutty in a teasing sort of way. Metal Gear series, Final Fantasy series, or - oh, look - Mass Effect. Remember Beneziah and Aria?

Evil makes you ugly - If a good character turns bad, they typically begin to look rather ugly to emphasize the change. Palpatine and Anakin, anyone? How about Voldemort? Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Castlevania: Lord of Shadows are other examples. Oh - and how about Mass Effect 2? Remember how the scars were tied in with the Paragon/Renegade system? Mass Effect 1 had Saren become monstrous when Sovereign took over. Typically, though, this is more often used in movies, literature, and (especially) comics.

Beauty equals goodness - a double-sided trope: Good characters look good, bad characters look bad. This is all through the Mass Effect games - remember how hideous the Collectors were? Good characters typically look better. Actually you can apply this to almost anything, with the exception of the top two tropes above. It's virtually universal. The purer and more "good" a character is, the better they'll look. In stories, appearance relates personality. (Note: the main exception here is if this is supposed to come as a surprise, or make you hate them. For example of the latter, Gaston in Beauty and the Beast.)


tl;dr: there's a reason main characters look good in games, and a large part of it is story-based. Mass Effect's writers used to understand that... but I suppose they have new ones now that don't quite know what they're doing.
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Re: Mass Effect: Andromeda

Postby Damocles » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:53 am

Was just watching a play though of the beginning.
I think some girls look quite hot in the game: :mrgreen:
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