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Re: Star Citizen

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Talvieno wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:08 am
In the case of both Limit Theory and Star Citizen, I enjoyed the ride immensely (I mean, just look at my post count ) and was devastated when Josh announced that he couldn't continue his dream project. I was devastated not because I would never get to play LT - because honestly, there are some fairly similar (if not as pretty) games out there - Avorion springs to mind as an example, and of course the original Freelancer. Rather, I was devastated because I feared what would happen to the community if Josh and LT weren't still around to hold them together.

Turns out, the community is still sticking around to some degree. And that makes me happy.
I was more devastated by the demise of Limit Theory and the end of the Freelancer replacement dream than what has happened to the Star Citizen project. It doesn't take a genius to realize how much this hurt/hurts Josh on a personal level. :(

I've sent quite a few dimes in the direction of Chris Roberts and Co. I'm not sure whether it was a particularly wise decision but I rarely regret such actions. I could afford it and I wouldn't have taken such actions if they would have proved detrimental to me. As I've said before, I'm more disappointed than regretful.

As to the state of the Community and whether any of the members would stick around. Well, I'm still here! Nowhere near as active as I was but still here. :D :angel:
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Re: Star Citizen

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ResultsMayDiffer wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:34 am
fyi they're still collecting millions a year. To this day is still dreaming up "cool new ideas" to lure in new sales. This is deception. Rarely if ever do these get called out as bull because they've sucked out all the air from objective discussion and have the entire community trained to shout down skeptical viewpoints.
You can't prove it's a deception unless there are actual records of Mr. Roberts and his merry band of wasteful morons getting together and deciding to make selling virtual spaceships and empty promisses the core of their business model. If there are no internal documents nor testimonies that prove beyond any shade of doubt that it was a scam from the start, or became a scam at some point during the development, then they would always come on top because 'we understood that some practices might not have been to the liking of some people, but we did it to continue the development of the game'. And they surely as Hell have enough code, graphical and sound assets to prove it.

Now, they all probably understand that their PR is outright predatory, and it becomes morally questionable since game is not explicitly for adults, and teenagers can easily get excited and go to such lengths as stealing money to pay for a virtual spaceship, but in most cases it's willing, consenting adults spending their money while they could have not. You cant't shift the responsibility from the person who makes the final decision - i.e. the guy with the credit card code - to the company that dangles the carrot (the gingerbread, if you are Russian...why would anyone want to jump for a carrot??? Gingerbread, on the other hand...yes please!).

If you really want to deal with predatory PR, you should probably start with the Coca-Cola company and all the tobacco companies, they bloody deserved that.

Otherwise, this moral outrage is just biased and, quite honestly, rather silly.
ResultsMayDiffer wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:34 am
At least Josh acknowledged risks, challenges, setbacks, mistakes, and had the foresight not to keep taking money. Chris Roberts lies all the time, has not once apologized, and leads what many believe is a concerted effort to mislead.
not to keep taking money
taking
He didn't start taking money. He did a Kickstarter - i.e. took money just once, and there was no further funding of any kind apart from his own financial reserves (which he promptly burned through) after that.

Josh can be held to the highest standard of honesty and humility here. He always communicated with us as with a collection of individuals (when he was communicating, granted :) ), and was always coming from his personal perspective. CIG, from the very beginning, operated as a mostly-faceless corporate entity, and we were an equally faceless target audience.
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Re: Star Citizen

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Victor Tombs wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:35 am
I was more devastated by the demise of Limit Theory and the end of the Freelancer replacement dream than what has happened to the Star Citizen project. It doesn't take a genius to realize how much this hurt/hurts Josh on a personal level. :(
I'm very worried about him too, yes. I can see some sign of it having changed him just in the sparse interaction we've had since then. I think it's still tearing him up.
Victor Tombs wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:35 am
As to the state of the Community and whether any of the members would stick around. Well, I'm still here! Nowhere near as active as I was but still here. :D :angel:
And I'm very very happy about that. :D I can understand you being less active though, especially with the state of things. There's not really much place to be active here other than REKT or IRC.
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