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The word "ambitious" isn't really sufficient to describe the scope of what they want to implement, is it?

The whole thing was fascinating, but one thing that stood out for me was the distinction they made between magic that's innate and magic that's learned (as through research). One of the first essays I wrote (around 1993) was basically a description of a categorization of systems of magic and the kinds of social structures you get depending on which system of magic exists.

This was a four-quadrant model in which one axis was whether the power for magic was internal or external, and the other axis was whether anyone could use magic or only some people can. This yielded four major ways in which magic is usually represented:
  • Inherited (some people, internal control): a few people get magic ability genetically
  • Owned (some people, external control): magic is bound into objects
  • Instinctive (all people, internal control): everybody has a different magical ability
  • Learned (all people, external control): magic is learned through study and practice
These cover most of the most popular systems of magic, but not all. Although there are magical objects in Tolkien's Middle-Earth, for example, a crucial form of magic is supplication: pleading in extremity for aid.

Which brings me to another essay I wrote (in 2006) on the Lyndon Hardy novel Master of the Five Magics.

The story in this novel was fine, but what inspired me to write about it was the system of five distinct magical styles that the author had his protagonist apply:
  • Thaumaturgy: manipulation of matter through incantations and will
  • Alchemy: combine and refine materials to get desired effects
  • Magic: imbue objects with powers through repeated rituals
  • Sorcery: spend your lifeforce through a magical incantation
  • Wizardry: summon and control demons
Again, this list covers systems pretty well, but it's not complete, either. For example, it leaves out necromancy (similar to Hardy's wizardry but not identical), which (going by the Adams's wish list) is already a thing in Dwarf Fortress.

It's great fun to see -- even in outline -- other people grappling with this idea of how to represent different varieties of magic in computer games, and what the consequences of enabling particular systems of magic may be on the societies in worlds where these forms of magic exist.

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Necromancy is an outcome of the magic type, rather than a type in itself.
  • Thaumaturgy: Manual control of the corpse, not overly effective, unless you can make it self-sustaining.
  • Alchemy: Alchemical resurection, this would result in something like Fungus or Viral zombies in Popular Fiction
  • Magic: The corpse itself, or a control object implanted in the corpse, is given power. This then controls the corpse.
  • Sorcery: The traditional form of magic, spend energy corpse arrises.
  • Wizardry: Summon a demon, then stuff it into a corpse.
I would have a few other basic types to add I think.
One for now, but I could come up with more with some time.
  • Witchcraft: Uses Nature as the source of the magic, somewhere between Alchemy and Wizardy, not effective in highly urbanized environs.

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Toady has retired the old Future of the Fortress thread (starting a new one on Canada day, of all days) at 306 pages, letting the last question answered be:
NCommander wrote:Looking at Dwarf Mode right now, what systems in your mind are currently "mostly placeholder" vs. more or less complete?
Toady One wrote:Everything is subject to change. Some of them just won't change because I don't get there, but I don't really think of the game in terms of complete vs. incomplete so much. Just in terms of where the plan will take it, insofar as the plan has been made, and which parts of the plan are closer than others. There are lots of things that we'd like to merge (like the whole zone/pile/room/workshop/etc.), but it's unclear what we'll actually get to... none of it feels very done to me. Is there anything that would survive the rewrites we already have posted on the new or old dev pages?
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:D DF is great, Narwhalz.
Toady One wrote:Alright, I'm ready to move to dwarf mode for this release! The main features will be the ability to send dwarf squads off the map, artifact-based diplomacy with sieging forces and others, and artifact-interested questers and critters coming to the fort.
Dwarf squads off the map in fortress mode!! This may mean you can actually attack goblin settlements. :D That would be seriously exciting. I expect pages of information, though.

Hmm, maybe you'll be able to reclaim artifacts as well. :)
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"The Werepanda Ulco Otiicen has come! A large panda twisted into humanoid form. It is crazed for blood and flesh. Its eyes glow red. Now you will know why you fear the night."


So, I got sieged by a necromancer and his horde of zombies and couldn't deal with that, so I just closed the doors to my fortress. Which resulted in them just wandering outside, aimlessly. :ghost:

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So...after some short requests on my most important floors of my current fortress:
Image I present to you, my main Floor, mostly dominated by the Stockpiles for Wood and Stone (yet to be designated once I cleaned everything)
On the left side is my Carpentry Workshop with its own (temporary until I dealed with all those cave-ins from my outside farm) Wood-Stockpile

For Info: The main Stockpile for wood clocks in at 93x32 Tiles, adding up to 2976 Tiles full of Anti-Elven Demonstrations.

The Stone pile will finish someday at 93x49 tiles, reaching 4557 tiles capacity.

Next, the dorms. Also not cleaned...
Image They are still pretty rough...but efficient enough...

Oh, there's also my outside farm in the lower, left corner. 12x12 for a wooping array of 4x4 fields for all applications!
Apparently, sometimes stuff might happen.

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Build Barrels! Build Stuff! Build more Stuff!

Be prepared for prolonged sieges!

Never run out of wood again!

Have all my peasants running around to keep them from idling uselessly!

Never run out of wood again!

:shifty: :shifty:

/me totally sane in regards to base materials :ghost:
Apparently, sometimes stuff might happen.

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Careful what you wish for. :twisted:

Want some help defending your fortress (or just want to do it in a more dwarfy way)? Try looking at some advanced trap designs.
Want something cool and massive to define your fortress with? Try one of these megaprojects or these stupid dwarf tricks.
Want a large stylish project that may not actually have any real "benefit" but looks really snazzy? Try one of these.

See you later! :wave:
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