Katawa wrote:Katorone wrote:I'm very much interested in any actual studies you can link that aren't studying people with a predisposition for bad bones.
If you want information specifically for bones, that's
here but I don't have the subscription to quote you the relevant section.
Did your dietician suggest trying cutting out gluten first to see if that was as beneficial? Some people have minor wheat allergies without knowing it and can have the lethargic or cloudy feeling you described. Sometimes it's just the availability of easy energy and switching your diet to more complex slow-release carbohydrates is a better option than upping fat or protein intake. The latter two causing bad cholesterol and kidney stones, or gout, respectively.
The Study wrote:The side effects encountered are related to the diet composition and the radical metabolic changes that results from a high fat, low carbohydrate and protein diet.
This isn't what a ketogenic diet is though. If you're going low protein, you'll have troubles. The general guide is to eat 1 gram of protein per pound of weight. There's no real danger of glucogenesis at these levels, specially in a keto-adapted state.
Cholesterol is the body serves a purpose. While LDL is more dangerous, on a ketogenic diet it tends to be more
fluffy causing it to be less likely to stick to inflamed arteries. It's also worth nothing that loss of weight increases cholesterol.
The last dietician I visited years ago told me to not eat any fats, only lean meats and carbs. As a result I gained weight and my cholestorol, triglicerides and blood sugar level went up. I'm sure you'll agree that these three factors point to metabolic damage and the gain of visceral fat.
I agree that complex carbs are an excellent adition to the diet of a healthy person. I'm obese, so I don't consider myself healthy. I rather use the nutritional ketosis to lose weight, and reintroduce the right carbs at a stage where my metabolism has been repaired.
I'm not convinced that increased protein automatically increases the chances for gout.
Purine alone might not be the main culprit in gout attacks. This paper suggests that inflammation is the main activator of the gout attacks. Cholesterol is needed against inflammation, which means a diet with enough omega 3 fatty acids would help to protect you against gout. I realise there are a lot of conflicting studies and whatnot. Sadly I can't afford to research this full-time, but I'm very interested in discussing this. I can only speak for myself when I say that I do feel the health benefits, and that being in nutritional ketosis has done well for my body and mind.
TLDR I'm convinced that the nutritional lacking foods like sweetened or diet beverages and processed foods with high fructose are a lot worse for you. Which doesn't take away that the complex carbs are a great addition to the diet of a healthy person.
Katawa wrote:How do you take care of insoluable fibre on a soylent diet? Just looks like a fad diet item to me. That time saved not washing dishes they mention is gonna be used up pretty quick by sitting on the toilet without ruffage.
The mix of soluble and insoluble fibers has also been tweaked slightly. The majority of Soylent's fiber comes straight from the oat fiber, but there is additional fiber in the form of xanthan gum and gum acacia. Rhinehart said that this is to round out the recommended daily fiber requirement and to make Soylent more gut-friendly.
There are a lot of people that add psyllium husk on top of this.
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